>> oh, listen, i think that she would -- by the way, i adore joe biden. i love joe biden. i think hillary would make a fabulous president. honestly, you know, colin powell said in one of his very first attempts to negotiate with the russians, he was sitting across the table saying i don't like these people i have been brought up to hate them, but hillary -- what hillary does so william is she brings humanity. i have been working with her a lot on women's issues around the world, and her understanding of the need to get women to the table and to protect children is so extraordinary. by the way, i think kerry will do a good job with it but nobody is going to come up to the ankles of hillary with regard to how much she cares about women and children around the world. >> i think kerry is going to be a hell of a secretary of state. i think he was bred for it. he grew up with it. governor rendell, it's always curious to watch you. i love this conversation. you know i get a kick out of this conversation anytime you're on because i know you. you're as in bed with the clintons as m